Who Is Sarah Palin?
09-03-2008, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE (demon_wolf @ Sep 3 2008, 12:17 AM)
actually no majik, i am very knowledgeable about BOTH parties
Then why don't you enlighten us all?QUOTE (demon_wolf @ Sep 3 2008, 12:17 AM)
but pidlley pissing matches like this shit is why i stay out of it.
the only SHIT I've seen in this thread is your post. TC, TibbyTib, myself, and Red_z have all appeared very calm in my opinion. We're debating back and forth, providing reasonable arguments in each person's rebuttal. I've yet to see a "pidley pissing match" or "shit" in this thread until you appeared. QUOTE (demon_wolf @ Sep 3 2008, 12:17 AM)
as to why i should have to defend and or prove my decision to ANYBODY is not really something i enjoy.
You don't have to DEFEND anything. I'm interested in WHY you feel the way you do, or believe what you believe. I want others to try to convince me why I should or should not view a politician OR issue a certain way. Maybe I'm not looking at it from all angles? Maybe I've developed tunnel vision and can't see someone elses point of view? This is an opportunity to change my mind with facts, or maybe I'll change yours. QUOTE (demon_wolf @ Sep 3 2008, 12:17 AM)
partially because not everyone has every fact an alot of people argue while not knowing fully what they are arguing about an only go off the facts they see off television because they are to lazy to do any of their own research an learn about the topics at hand an the politicians stance on those issues or let fear of change, i.e. last election keep them from believing their research even tho its been proven by more than a few other sources.
wow, hard to follow that last one, but I think you're saying people aren't knowledgeable about the issues? I agree. So, if you are 'very knowledgeable about BOTH parties" then PLEASE give your two cents and point out what it is we're missing. I'd prefer to have a debate that teaches and informs rather than an "I'm right and you're wrong" blowout. Through this discussion, I'm a little more apprised of the issues affecting homosexual rights. My stance has not changed, but I'm more aware than I was. QUOTE (demon_wolf @ Sep 3 2008, 12:17 AM)
No Majik i stay out of political arguments because i am knowledgeable an i deal with stupid people everyday at work an dont feel like arguing or proving myself to anyne in my free time, no matter who or how knowledgeable they are.
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Then please, don't post here anymore. We don't want arguing, we don't want anyone to feel they have to prove themselves. It's just an easy discussion where people are giving opinions, facts, views, and listening to others. end rant/
It appears you can't handle it, so stop bringing shit into this thread.
Everything seemed quite calm to me until your post appeared.
Thank you for your rant.
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You mean becoming knowledgeable enough about a topic to be able to defend it against rebuttal? Something that makes you THINK and get involved, rather than say, "That person sounds like (s)he knows what (s)he's talking about" and just going with the flow?
thats the pidley ass pissing match im talking about. go ahead an use your mod rights to ban me but i thought id point that out for ya.,
09-03-2008, 07:22 PM
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I'm voting Obama
We've had republicans in office for too long. It's time for change. We are a democratic society, and republicans.. well, they treat the country as a republic.
Democrats values can be generally categorized by everything you think about when you think of hippies. We are in a war which we have no business being in. Trust me, I spent a year and some change over in Iraq. I'm voting democratic. Sometimes you just need to put a flower in your hair, hold up 2 fingers and say "peace man".
Seriously, democrats are the way out of war. Republicans generally beef up on military.
Yeah, sure, bush came in and gave us military guys an extra raise. He also put us military guys to work, alot harder then most people wanted to. We're fighting 2 war fronts right now and stretched pretty thin. The country's economy has gone down hill. Wait, did anyone stop to think where the funding for the millions of gallons of fuel needed to power humvees and generators for soldiers overseas is comming from? $2.80/gal?
A republican decision to fight an entire global war on terrorism got us here.
And for my final point, I'm pulling the race card. I hate racism. I hate race cards. I could car less about skin color. I'm tired of hearing "they're trying to keep the black man down". It's more prominent in the southern countires. If we vote a black man as president, then we white people could have a race card of our own. Think about it.
I'm throwing in some satire i've found.
Fark.com's Photoshop theme: Obama and McCain need some campaing posters that really target the online demographic. Let's help them out http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=3776985
Vote here after some campaigning http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
QUOTE (Ericy321 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:50 PM)
Elaborate a little bit man. What is swinging you that way?
We've had republicans in office for too long. It's time for change. We are a democratic society, and republicans.. well, they treat the country as a republic.
Democrats values can be generally categorized by everything you think about when you think of hippies. We are in a war which we have no business being in. Trust me, I spent a year and some change over in Iraq. I'm voting democratic. Sometimes you just need to put a flower in your hair, hold up 2 fingers and say "peace man".
Seriously, democrats are the way out of war. Republicans generally beef up on military.
Yeah, sure, bush came in and gave us military guys an extra raise. He also put us military guys to work, alot harder then most people wanted to. We're fighting 2 war fronts right now and stretched pretty thin. The country's economy has gone down hill. Wait, did anyone stop to think where the funding for the millions of gallons of fuel needed to power humvees and generators for soldiers overseas is comming from? $2.80/gal?
A republican decision to fight an entire global war on terrorism got us here.
And for my final point, I'm pulling the race card. I hate racism. I hate race cards. I could car less about skin color. I'm tired of hearing "they're trying to keep the black man down". It's more prominent in the southern countires. If we vote a black man as president, then we white people could have a race card of our own. Think about it.
I'm throwing in some satire i've found.
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August 30, 2008
Office being sought
Vice President
President of the United States and Leader of the Free World
Full name
Sarah Louise Heath Palin
Barack Hussein Obama II
Nickname
Sarah Barracuda
Barry Obama; “The Oneâ€Â
Public opinion
Smoking hot in a “naughty librarian†sort of way
May be The Messiah
Age
44
48
Children
5: two sons, three daughters
2: two daughters
Religion/Church attendance
Evangelical Christian;
attends Juneau Christian Center when in Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God
Attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a “black liberation theology†church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to the Black Value System
Current Job
Governor of Alaska
Junior Senator from Illinois
Previous Public Jobs
Mayor of Wasilla, AK (1996-2002); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;
City Council member (1992-1996)
State Senator (1997-2004);
Community Organizer
Executive Experience
Governor for 2 years;
Mayor for 10 years
None
Foreign Relations experience
Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)
Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;
once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans
Military Affairs experience
Commander in Chief of Alaska National Guard;
Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S. Army
None
Private Sector Experience
Sports reporter;
Salmon fisherman
Associate at civil rights law firm
Speaking ability
Beautifully executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter
An enter…wait�"did you say without a teleprompter??
Spouse’s name
Todd Mitchell Palin
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama
Spouse’s occupation
Salmon fisherman;
Former North Slope production supervisor for BP Oil
Vice President for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;
former Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago;
former Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies;
former Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago;
former associate at Sidley Austin law firm
Reaction to spouse’s political success
Quit 17-year BP oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife’s administration
Promoted and given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband’s election to U.S. Senate;
Employer received $1,000,000.00 federal earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion
Coolest thing about Spouse
Tesoro Iron Dog Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);
In 2008, while defending his championship, was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the hospital but still finished in fourth place
Sister of Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson
Most Courageous Moment in Public Service
Resigned in protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.
Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in 2002
In Current Office Because…
Upset sitting Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up corrupt government establishment
Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal
Theme:
Change and Clean Government
Hope and Change;
“Bringing Change from Outside Washingtonâ€Â
What they’ve done to live that theme:
Replaced entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;
Resigned from position of Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose corruption among members of own party
Selected 36-year incumbent Senator as running mate
Family Affairs
May have removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in messy divorce and child custody battle
Often says, “I am my brother’s keeperâ€Â;
Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12 per year
Union affiliation
Union member, married to Union member
Endorsed by a union
Iraq and Troop Support
Formerly (pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;
Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in Germany;
visited AK National Guard soldiers deployed to Kuwait;
Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army infantryman
Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;
almost visited wounded troops in Germany, but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead
Bipartisan/â€Âmaverick†credentials
Married to a non-Republican;
Exposed corruption within own party;
Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to “come clean†about financial dealings that are under fed investigation
Talks about bipartisanship
Legislative Record
Passed a landmark ethics reform bill;
Used veto to cut budgetary spending;
Prevented “bridge to nowhere†that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
Voted “present†over 100 times as IL state senator
How they dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state
Exposed legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;
Campaigned against corrupt GOP Representative;
Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent governor in GOP primary
Launched political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still refers to him as a part of “mainstream Democratic Chicagoâ€Â;
Purchased home with help of convicted felon Tony Rezko
Guns
Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter;
video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range
Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms
Earmarks
Opposed “Bridge to Nowhere†project;
Said Alaska should avoid relying on federal money for projects;
Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK) in 2008 primary
Secured federal earmarks for wife’s employer and for campaign bundlers
Abortion
Pro life;
gave birth to 5th child knowing that he would have Down’s syndrome
Pro-choice;
only IL state sen. to speak against the Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to live infants who survived abortions
Energy
Believes energy independence is a matter of national security;
For drilling in ANWR, which is in her state
Says Americans should “get tune-ups†and “check tire pressureâ€Â;
Says “we can’t expect the world to be okay with†our use of heating and air conditioning
Environment
Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission (2003-4);
Announced plans to create sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions in AK
Talks about the environment a lot
Athletic prowess
Runs marathons
Has reporters tailing him to the gym
Sarah Palin
Barack Obama
Office being sought
Vice President
President of the United States and Leader of the Free World
Full name
Sarah Louise Heath Palin
Barack Hussein Obama II
Nickname
Sarah Barracuda
Barry Obama; “The Oneâ€Â
Public opinion
Smoking hot in a “naughty librarian†sort of way
May be The Messiah
Age
44
48
Children
5: two sons, three daughters
2: two daughters
Religion/Church attendance
Evangelical Christian;
attends Juneau Christian Center when in Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God
Attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a “black liberation theology†church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to the Black Value System
Current Job
Governor of Alaska
Junior Senator from Illinois
Previous Public Jobs
Mayor of Wasilla, AK (1996-2002); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;
City Council member (1992-1996)
State Senator (1997-2004);
Community Organizer
Executive Experience
Governor for 2 years;
Mayor for 10 years
None
Foreign Relations experience
Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)
Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;
once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans
Military Affairs experience
Commander in Chief of Alaska National Guard;
Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S. Army
None
Private Sector Experience
Sports reporter;
Salmon fisherman
Associate at civil rights law firm
Speaking ability
Beautifully executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter
An enter…wait�"did you say without a teleprompter??
Spouse’s name
Todd Mitchell Palin
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama
Spouse’s occupation
Salmon fisherman;
Former North Slope production supervisor for BP Oil
Vice President for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;
former Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago;
former Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies;
former Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago;
former associate at Sidley Austin law firm
Reaction to spouse’s political success
Quit 17-year BP oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife’s administration
Promoted and given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband’s election to U.S. Senate;
Employer received $1,000,000.00 federal earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion
Coolest thing about Spouse
Tesoro Iron Dog Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);
In 2008, while defending his championship, was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the hospital but still finished in fourth place
Sister of Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson
Most Courageous Moment in Public Service
Resigned in protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.
Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in 2002
In Current Office Because…
Upset sitting Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up corrupt government establishment
Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal
Theme:
Change and Clean Government
Hope and Change;
“Bringing Change from Outside Washingtonâ€Â
What they’ve done to live that theme:
Replaced entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;
Resigned from position of Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose corruption among members of own party
Selected 36-year incumbent Senator as running mate
Family Affairs
May have removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in messy divorce and child custody battle
Often says, “I am my brother’s keeperâ€Â;
Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12 per year
Union affiliation
Union member, married to Union member
Endorsed by a union
Iraq and Troop Support
Formerly (pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;
Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in Germany;
visited AK National Guard soldiers deployed to Kuwait;
Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army infantryman
Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;
almost visited wounded troops in Germany, but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead
Bipartisan/â€Âmaverick†credentials
Married to a non-Republican;
Exposed corruption within own party;
Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to “come clean†about financial dealings that are under fed investigation
Talks about bipartisanship
Legislative Record
Passed a landmark ethics reform bill;
Used veto to cut budgetary spending;
Prevented “bridge to nowhere†that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
Voted “present†over 100 times as IL state senator
How they dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state
Exposed legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;
Campaigned against corrupt GOP Representative;
Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent governor in GOP primary
Launched political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still refers to him as a part of “mainstream Democratic Chicagoâ€Â;
Purchased home with help of convicted felon Tony Rezko
Guns
Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter;
video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range
Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms
Earmarks
Opposed “Bridge to Nowhere†project;
Said Alaska should avoid relying on federal money for projects;
Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK) in 2008 primary
Secured federal earmarks for wife’s employer and for campaign bundlers
Abortion
Pro life;
gave birth to 5th child knowing that he would have Down’s syndrome
Pro-choice;
only IL state sen. to speak against the Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to live infants who survived abortions
Energy
Believes energy independence is a matter of national security;
For drilling in ANWR, which is in her state
Says Americans should “get tune-ups†and “check tire pressureâ€Â;
Says “we can’t expect the world to be okay with†our use of heating and air conditioning
Environment
Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission (2003-4);
Announced plans to create sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions in AK
Talks about the environment a lot
Athletic prowess
Runs marathons
Has reporters tailing him to the gym
Fark.com's Photoshop theme: Obama and McCain need some campaing posters that really target the online demographic. Let's help them out http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=3776985
Vote here after some campaigning http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
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^ I just read a quote that echoes those sentiments: "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example, than the example of our power." -Bill Clinton
The more I read/learn about Palin, the more I dislike her/the idea of her. She's a devout Christian, yet her 17 year old unmarried daughter is 5 months pregnant. Kinda contradicts Christian beliefs. Plus, she has a year and a half of experience as governor. Of ALASKA. Whoop-dee-do. My home town's population is bigger than Alaska's total population.
2 of her kids names are, get this, TRIG and TRACK. WTF?????
And as to why I like Hillary so much - her husband is undoubtedly one of the best presidents in US history. The fact that she stood by him during the whole intern scandal speaks volumes. She is a strong woman and will one day be the first woman president.
The more I read/learn about Palin, the more I dislike her/the idea of her. She's a devout Christian, yet her 17 year old unmarried daughter is 5 months pregnant. Kinda contradicts Christian beliefs. Plus, she has a year and a half of experience as governor. Of ALASKA. Whoop-dee-do. My home town's population is bigger than Alaska's total population.
2 of her kids names are, get this, TRIG and TRACK. WTF?????
And as to why I like Hillary so much - her husband is undoubtedly one of the best presidents in US history. The fact that she stood by him during the whole intern scandal speaks volumes. She is a strong woman and will one day be the first woman president.
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Bill clinton is one of the worst presidents we ever had. Don't agree? You didn't serve under him. The budget got better because of the policies of Bush SR, he just rode them. His policies are the reason our military was so under funded, under equipped, and the intelligence was so bad. Should we possibly remember ALL of the terrorist attacks that happened to the US and it's interests under his reign?
How bout the failure of Somalia? Wow, it's going great over there now that we left right?
And DTN, let me get this right, you are voting for Obama because Bush made you put your training to use?
Unkay....
How bout the failure of Somalia? Wow, it's going great over there now that we left right?
And DTN, let me get this right, you are voting for Obama because Bush made you put your training to use?
Unkay....
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OK One thing I dont like is people voting for a party instead of an individual.
Lets not bring race into this. People are thinking racism will go away if Obama is president, it wont. It never will. White people will soon be the minority in this country. One thing I would love to see is doing something about all the illegals in the country. If we didnt spend so much money on them we most likely wouldnt have to import all this oil. A lot of people dont see how huge of an expense it is to KEEP illegal immigrants here. Thats ridiculous.
Also dont think that Palins experience should be brought up so much. I would rather have someone with little/no experience as the Vice President instead of the President.
Lets not bring race into this. People are thinking racism will go away if Obama is president, it wont. It never will. White people will soon be the minority in this country. One thing I would love to see is doing something about all the illegals in the country. If we didnt spend so much money on them we most likely wouldnt have to import all this oil. A lot of people dont see how huge of an expense it is to KEEP illegal immigrants here. Thats ridiculous.
Also dont think that Palins experience should be brought up so much. I would rather have someone with little/no experience as the Vice President instead of the President.
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Should we possibly remember ALL of the terrorist attacks that happened to the US and it's interests under his reign?
Go for it.
The first attack on the World Trade Center occurred in 1993, at the beginning of Clinton's presidency. Withing 4 years, 6 people were convicted of carrying out the bombing, INCLUDING the mastermind. Yet 7 years after 9-11, we're in a completely different country and Bin Laden is running around who knows where.
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You didn't serve under him
So what? Just because I never served in the military doesn't mean I'm less of a citizen. I was this close to joining the airforce while in high school, but after visiting the recruiter I said no thanks. That's my choice, no one forced you to serve and just because you did doesn't make you god.
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How bout the failure of Somalia? Wow, it's going great over there now that we left right?
So, why should the US be the police of the world when the country itself is declining? What about health care and protection for our own citizens? What really got me today was 3 years after Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans is still struggling to rebuild. They made everyone evacuate for Gustav just in case it became another Katrina. Yet here goes Bush sending $1 BILLION of our money off to GEORGIA, despite the fact that RUSSIA has already begun to help rebuild there. It all comes down to politics, and in this case, politics trump humanitarianism.
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Bill clinton is one of the worst presidents we ever had.
So that must be why he left office with a 65% approval rating, despite the fact that he had been impeached. Bush's current approval rating is 29%. In April 2008, his disapproval rating was the lowest ever recorded in Gallup polling history: 69%.
Nope, don't see Clinton in there.
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Shes hot.
Honestly, who cares? This is 2008, teens drink. End of story. What actually matters is if they are responsible. Obviously her mom isnt clueless about it. I think people will just see her as a normal mom really.
Honestly, who cares? This is 2008, teens drink. End of story. What actually matters is if they are responsible. Obviously her mom isnt clueless about it. I think people will just see her as a normal mom really.