Wow!, I'm not American,but wouldnt that be the same a building a German Complex in a Jewish community??? Obama has no respect at all!!!!

 

No, that would be building a nazi complex across from a jewish graveyard.

He does have respect. Just not for the same things as good people respect.

 

Guys, seriously... This country was founded on religious freedom. Without that principal it would not be America. All you can say about it and claim to be a true blue American, is: it's in bad taste.

This is America, and if you don't like religious freedom, you can just git out.

But if you decide you want to take action because of the poor taste of the location, by all means... this is America!

 

No, it doesnt bother me. But, I agree with many of the statements here. It's definitely in bad taste.

We are between a rock and a hard place. If we denounce their right to build and practice their religion like every other free American, then we submit to the horrendous actions taken on 9/11 and the terrorists have won, literally making Americans denounce the very first amendment of the constitution that our country is founded on, Freedom of Religion. If we do not allow them to build their mosque and practice their religion in a lawful, legal, and "peaceful" way, they not only have gotten away with killing innocent US and National civilians, (remember, the Trade Centers was full of folks from all around the world. The attack was an attack on democracy and peaceful nations AROUND THE WORLD, it just so happened on our land and in our country), but they have also undermined our dearest and most cherish values that our country was established on, the Constitution.

I cant tell folks to not be angry. But, we are a nation of tolerance. And ESPECIALLY in this case, we are being tested and have to remain vigilant of our core values, otherwise we become no better then the people who defaced our country, and the people who have died in ALL terrorists acts do not become casualties of a better tomorrow, they simply die in vain. The best example I can think of what reflects what we need to do as a country are the peaceful acts of civil protest performed by Gandhi.

And.....I support the guy opening the bar!!! LOL! Thats the kind of "peaceful" protest that needs to happen if folks are upset with the building of the Mosque. Very ingenious, and pretty damn smart!! Let alone done in the "American" way!!! The bar will be hugely successful. Hell, I'm straight and I'd go there and buy a drink just to support the bar!! In a way , it'll be pushing the boundaries of Muslim tolerance, and at the same time, throwing back in the face of the radical terrorist communities the potential and success of a free, capitalist country.

 

If we don't let them build it, they win

If we let them build it, they win

So why let them build it, again?

Equivocating mass murder with not letting someone make an offensive building is, in itself, evil. Moral equivalence is one of the Very Bad Things they teach in government schools these days, unfortunately. Some things ought not to be done, even in free societies. This is one of the places where the founders of the USA fell short. Their idea of religious freedom was letting you be a baptist, methodist, lutheran, etc. but they wrote it so even a satanist has the same rights until the courts say otherwise.

. . . to stretch the argument a little: how far do you extend freedom of religion? Do you legally recognize divorces that were made orally by the husband? Do you allow a husband to force his wife behind a veil? Do you allow somebody to preach that mass murder is the thing to do? Do you allow somebody to bury an adulteress to the waist, then stone the top half of her to death? Why even prosecute terrorists at all . . . they are only fulfilling religious obligations, after all!

 

The next thing you know Obama will do is start burying Muslim terrorists that die at guat mo in Arlington!

 

^^ Obama is handling this in the most appropriate way anyone could handle it. At his level, the head representative of the USA, it would be inappropriate for him to show any emotion on this issue. It is fully legal and protected under the first amendment.


Because if we don't let them build it, then the terrorists have won by changing the way we handle a religious situation

Yes! A Satanist does have the same religious freedoms as a Catholic.

Until it encrouches on the freedoms of another person. That's what freedom is. It is the ability to do anything you want unless it causes harm or less freedom to another.

No. It has to be legally documentedNo. This is a violation of her freedoms, unless she is willing to wear the veil. No. Even if it is part of your religion, you can preach it behind closed doors. Also, it is illegal to plot murder. No. This is handled by the legal system. When a religious obligation clashes with a legal obligation, the legal obligation overrules the religious obligation. There is a separation of church and state.

In America, you are free to do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want, however you want. The legal system is there to protect your rights and the rights of others. When your freedom starts interfering with others freedom, the legal system comes into play.

 

Great reply DTN!!! You hit all the points I was going to bring up!

 

Who is they? At first it sounds like "they" are terrorist, next it seems like "they" are Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorist, and not all terrorist are Muslims.

To be arguing over whether or not there should be a Mosque near Ground Zero (remeber its not at Ground Zero its a block or two away) is stupid, lets just not worry about all the other problems that actually affect this country.

 

but its not necessary to build it there. not everybody is as open minded as they should be, and do you think some sad relatives/nationalistic splinter groups etc etc give a crap about equality etc? its just asking for trouble. you can see from this thread that not everybody in the country will accept it - perhaps some people will take matters into their own hands if they feel that their government has 'failed' them in allowing this?

just leave it be as a memorial to what happened!