Anyone notice how they also didn't reset the ECU and provide the common place 300 mile range of testing for the ecu to make acquaintance to the lovely cone apparatus ("pod" sounds cheeky). So the cone podual was never being accurately tested. It was just some whore filter the ecu wasn't used to slapped on there to make a personal statement about ricers.







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/Stir Pot

How on earth could you scientifically compare three air filters on the dyno, if you drive 300 miles between testing them? This is back-to-back testing, on the same dyno, in the same weather conditions, with the same wear on the engine etc etc



Additionally, the ECU doesn't adjust its full-load maps due to feedback from the car. The only long-term fuel trim tuning that takes place is done with the use of the oxygen sensor - the narrowband 02 sensor is only providing useful feedback up to about 70% of full load.



Still waiting for some explicit refutation of the points made in the jeep article.

I bet you my car could sound faster in the 1/4 mile than yours! huh? :Unsure2:

Ummm... :scratchhead:



Well, maybe. But, my car can sound faster er uhhh for the 1/4 mile, errr, technical terminology, don't forget to double clutch like you should, then... Science Fiction! :smack:

Y'all are still at it about these damn intakes....

I don't need to refute anything. If you guys don't want to stick an intake on your car, don't. I personally dynoed my '01 Tiburon and it made 109 whp bone friggin stock. Without even unstrapping it from the dyno, I installed an AEM intake and made 121 whp. I was running the dyno and the car, so there was no shenanigans. I always use them and they always make power for me. If you can't get an intake to make power on your car, you suck at cars. I have personally seen K&N drop-in filters make 8 whp on several different LS1 powered F-Bodies.

From a Jeep Engineer?



"In the case of the TJ, the 4.0L is an engine optimized for low RPM power and torque - the potential increase in airflow that a cold air intake might offer would not really play into the typical RPM range that a 4.0L generally operates in. "







:hyper2: I think its funny I am on this side of the argument with no intention of removing my stock intake pipe... lol, not on the HD anyway.

At the end of the day there is more independent and factual evidence from respectable sources that state that aftermarket air intake/pod filter are no better than the majority of OEM fitted to stock N/A manufactured vehicles, more has been shown compared to only the opinions including no visual evidence but assumptions from unsupported diagrams.



= Mythbusted

:bsflag:



A Jeep forum (Really? Jeep? Performance? Really?) and a couple of Australian wankers on a Youtube video does not more evidence make.

did you not read i8acobra's post? can't get more evidence than that.

Yes i forgot of his great heritage lines that goes back to the days when they told Christopher Columbus the Earth is flat don't sail or you will fall off because he's actually seen it..........

So someone putting their car on a dyno two times in a row, once without an intake and once with an intake, showing different results, is not enough evidence that an intake can increase hp in that particular case? What kind of proof are you looking for? This argument is childish. :banghead2:

and dont forget the intake shootout that happened on hp.com back in the day



dynoed stock,

then dyno aem

then dyno injen

then dyno random special



all the same day, all right after each other, all on same vehicle



all dynoed around 10% higher hp numbers, with the aem taking win



although ive never seen anyone dyno stock, then added a k&n drop in



one of you anti-intake people should dyno that

I'm not going to be a dick and ask for proof, but okay. I'll accept that as fair. (there's always a "but" though)



but



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I can't copy the graphed results across, but view them for yourselves. That is as unbiased as it gets, ladies and gents. I bet you a gentleman that you could have made MORE power if the AEM intake had some resonators or an airbox.

But... then it wouldn't sound awesome!!!!!

Bet us a gentleman? IDK what games you play in Australia, but I don't have a gentleman to bet....... but apparently you do!? :hahaspit:

If you had been around in '01, you would have seen the results. I was 1/2 owner of HP.com and my car was used for many tests back then.



That excerpt you posted talks about dirt, not HP. I don't hear anyone saying an intake is better at filtering dirt, it's not. It's worse. More air = more dirt but also more HP.

Well people generally install air filters to, y'know, filter air. I'll concede that y'all have dyno proof that x intakes increase power output on the RD tiburon.





I remain unconvinced aboutthe viability of pod filters on the whole though, they attract so much rice and thoughtless modification - 90% of the time it is best to just leave bloody well alone. If in doubt, no.

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This thread inspired me to get out the hacksaw and custom piping and make this "maaaaaaad" cold air intake.

:lol2: :nuts2: :duh5: :fp:





GTFO!



Someone BAN this guy now!! First a blue silencer butthole looking thing now this!?

I bet that thing makes MAD POWER when it rains

duh... super cooled when it rains..

name a performance part that doesnt risk losing the longevity of your motor in any way















hard huh

Type R stickers

the only think i can think of is lightweight wheels but that might be a wash (lighter parts can cause the engine to rev faster increasing wear)

Never rains here in the desert. Its actually really sick I think. It is engineered as far as you can do it and the intake temps have been very consistent at 72.6-86 degrees while the motor is at 194 and the ambient air temp is 76 degrees.



I am sorry I offended you guys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhbPLu_qDc0[/youtube]

WHAT!? ARE YOU BLIND?!? THAT LOOKS GOD-AWFUL. I can't imagine that this has actually done anything for the vehicles performance (higher hp, faster 1/4 mile, etc) and you have made your car look like complete garbage. This is the exact type of crap that (fill in the blank non-import vehicle owners) call "rice" and associate with others that own these types of cars. You sir have not only offended, but you have publicly embarrassed us all.



Burn your car, while you sit in it.

^^^ ... wow



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Obviously he's not from down under :ftw: Lawls

It had already been scuffed and crashed in that area so I just adapted it to the hole in the bumper. I will get another bumper eventually but its super kdm dorifto right now.

maxpow for admin!

Bit late to this one, but with air filters, it's all down to preference. Thoise cheap ebay filters, some of which just put a poor quality sponge filter on existing pipes, do little other than add noise, the expensive AEM/K+N etc have been researched to leave filter in the coldest realistic spot, and flow at the correct air/fuel ratio, whislt still doing the imnportant job of filtering crap out. Many cheap ebay ones may still gain a few hp, but let lots more crap through.

On modern engines however, the cramped bay means enclosed boxes can gain more as open filters suffer more and more from heatsoak. my preferance is a K+N panal filtered GK airbox on my RD.



Biggest problem with Hyundai si they they don't have a tuning partner, my Honda has 4 induction upgrades available that are proven to gain, 3 are airboxes, one's a pod, 2 of the airboxes are by Mugen and Spoon, Honda partners, who build parts specially for the car. if Hyundai had a partner like this, it'd be interesting to see which method they prefered