turbulence

this is the dumbest thing you can do with a beta. the guys in korea, with all out race cars -- no cat, quad throttle body, race fuel, stand alone ecu, etc... -- are only getting about 190whp. the beta is not an n/a engine. for the money you'll dump into n/a parts, get a turbo. the only parts that you'll buy for n/a mods that will benefit you if you get a turbo are cams and an exhaust. these will just let your engine breathe the boost better. i thougth about going all-out n/a, but then realized i've already dumped way too much money into n/a mods for, what, 8-12hp?

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well, hot damn, i've hit 300 posts. umm, that does nothing for me, now that i think about it. i guess maybe 400 might get me all excited, but most likely not.

[ January 08, 2003, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: turbulence ]

Shadohh

N/A is usually only good for 150whp without having to do major work or big lumpy cams.

Cat cams are known to put down 12whp. An Safc would be good to tune down the fuel on the high end. The tiburon runs very rich above 3000rpms when at WOT.

BIM and BTB with a some Headers and free flowing exhaust and cai.

I think you can hit 150whp easy. Beyond that it will get hard.

You would need to look into head work, high compression pistons like 13:1

Random

Turbulence. SHAME ON YOU. N/A isn't "dumb".

No, N/A won't make great power, but it is a completly viable option. The Vast majority of our members are N/A, and they will remain N/A. Are you calling all of them "Dumb"?

With the "typical" bolt ons and mods, about 150 to the wheels is the best you can hope for.

If you want to built up a 100% "race" motor, then you can hit up to 215 WHP with an "all out" N/A setup.(this would NOT be a daily driver kind of engine)

Red

It would also be a bore/stroker to 2.2 or 2.3 liters (cannot remember which), would have static compression in the mid teens (13:1), would idle at about 2,000 RPM's and would eat only VP104 race gas.

A 150whp setup will cost you around $3500. Cams, headwork, IM, TB, CAI, header, full exhaust and free-flow catalyst, the electronics needed for fuel and ignition management, etc.

Been there, done that.

A turbo kit for $3500 would net you around 220 wheel horsepower, essentially the limit on the stock differential.

Which would you prefer?

Decker

of course you can just use your stock exhaust manifold, but you won't see mutch gain from your exhaust. I'd suggest doing your intake work first, then do your exhaust.

Frostbyte

Headers would be much better than the stock manifold, however if you plan on going turbo, keep in mind you will be taking the header off, and replacing it with the turbo 'plumbing'.

Aoshi

Random, could you tell me everything I should do to make 215 whp in the NA way for a 2.0L beta engine?

turbulence

aoshi, for 215 n/a whp, you basically need: quad-throttle body, stand-alone computer, race fuel, bore/stroked to 2.2L or 2.3L like red said, some big, lumpy cams, and you might need to run a dump car (no exhaust manifold) like some of the drag cars wink , plus some other **** i can't remember.

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oh, and this wouldn't be a daily driver. i've read that the quad-throttle bodies need to be tuned frequently.

[ March 17, 2003, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: turbulence ]