3,000 mile oil change no longer needed?
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3,000 mile oil change no longer needed?
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“There was a time when the 3,000 miles was a good guideline,” said Philip Reed, senior consumer advice editor for the car site Edmunds.com. “But it’s no longer true for any car bought in the last seven or eight years.
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I STILL remember learning from my father how to carefully remove a dipstick to check the oil level in our cars. It was drilled into me — along with turning off the lights when you left a room and clearing the plates off the table after dinner — that oil needs to be changed every 3,000 miles or so.
I’m not sure what I thought would happen if I didn’t, but I vaguely imagined an unlubricated engine grinding to a halt.
Childhood habits are hard to undo, and that’s often good. To this day, I hate seeing an empty room with the lights on.
But sometimes, we need to throw aside our parents’ good advice. In March, for example, I wrote about how we should relearn the dishwasher and laundry soap habits we inherited from our mothers.
Add frequent oil-changing to that list.
“There was a time when the 3,000 miles was a good guideline,” said Philip Reed, senior consumer advice editor for the car site Edmunds.com. “But it’s no longer true for any car bought in the last seven or eight years.”
Oil chemistry and engine technology have improved to the point that most cars can go several thousand more miles before changing the oil, Mr. Reed said. A better average, he said, would be 7,500 between oil changes, and sometimes up to 10,000 miles or more.
The California Integrated Waste Management Board ran public service announcements for several years about “the 3,000-mile myth,” urging drivers to wait longer between oil changes. Although the information is a few years old, the board has a list of cars on its Web site and how often they need oil changes. The concern is not only the cost to drivers, but the environmental impact of throwing away good oil, said Mark Oldfield, a recycling specialist for the agency.
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I STILL remember learning from my father how to carefully remove a dipstick to check the oil level in our cars. It was drilled into me — along with turning off the lights when you left a room and clearing the plates off the table after dinner — that oil needs to be changed every 3,000 miles or so.
I’m not sure what I thought would happen if I didn’t, but I vaguely imagined an unlubricated engine grinding to a halt.
Childhood habits are hard to undo, and that’s often good. To this day, I hate seeing an empty room with the lights on.
But sometimes, we need to throw aside our parents’ good advice. In March, for example, I wrote about how we should relearn the dishwasher and laundry soap habits we inherited from our mothers.
Add frequent oil-changing to that list.
“There was a time when the 3,000 miles was a good guideline,” said Philip Reed, senior consumer advice editor for the car site Edmunds.com. “But it’s no longer true for any car bought in the last seven or eight years.”
Oil chemistry and engine technology have improved to the point that most cars can go several thousand more miles before changing the oil, Mr. Reed said. A better average, he said, would be 7,500 between oil changes, and sometimes up to 10,000 miles or more.
The California Integrated Waste Management Board ran public service announcements for several years about “the 3,000-mile myth,” urging drivers to wait longer between oil changes. Although the information is a few years old, the board has a list of cars on its Web site and how often they need oil changes. The concern is not only the cost to drivers, but the environmental impact of throwing away good oil, said Mark Oldfield, a recycling specialist for the agency.
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although i do believe it
oil changes are cheap enough to prevent explosions
my friend would ONLY change the oil ever 12k miles, at every 3k he would replace the filter and top off accordingly
he sent his oil in for testing...everything was fine
and that was a 10 year old car...with like 180k miles
oil changes are cheap enough to prevent explosions
my friend would ONLY change the oil ever 12k miles, at every 3k he would replace the filter and top off accordingly
he sent his oil in for testing...everything was fine
and that was a 10 year old car...with like 180k miles
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A friend of mine does his every 5-6K (basically once every 6 months). Its just cheap insurance to do it every 3 months/3k miles, and its quick and easy. Sure, it might be a waste of oil sometimes, but its better to waste a few quarts of oil than to waste your engine from sludge build up or running low on oil.
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plus, if your like me, you check EVERYTHING out while your at it
if you change it faster, you may notice your cv boot torn or your coolants leaking
stuff like that
i change mine on the max every 4k miles, if i waited to 8k like everyone recommends (mobil1) it would be MONTHS before i noticed any wear and tear
if you change it faster, you may notice your cv boot torn or your coolants leaking
stuff like that
i change mine on the max every 4k miles, if i waited to 8k like everyone recommends (mobil1) it would be MONTHS before i noticed any wear and tear
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Hyundai released a TSB stating the 2.0T Gen Coupe needs to have oil changed no more than every 4,800 miles or 3,000 miles under SEVERE USAGE. I guess they're concerned about higher engine temps, or maybe it's an easy way to deny service claims. I'm running full synth, and I'll probably do it every 3-4k. I put a lot of miles on my car, so doing it every month becomes a PITA :-/
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2009/11...5/09-EM-003.pdf
I'm going to assume most people who buy the 2.0T will be using it under "severe usage" rather than keeping it under the speed limit to maximize gas mileage. I'm going to claim severe usage on mine, though I make sure engine temps warm up before every use and I keep it garaged @ home & parking garage @ work.
BUT.. the TSB recommends 7,500 miles or 12 months under "Normal Maintenance Schedule" for the V6.
I'm using Mobil 1 Full Synth 5w20. I will plan on changing the oil before the 4,000 mile interval.
I'll also say that I run valvoline 10w30 for my Murano. I went 6,500-7,000 miles before changing the oil and I could tell a difference (even my wife could). Maybe the long stretch of 100+ degree days added to it, but I try to keep it under 5,000 mile intervals.
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2009/11...5/09-EM-003.pdf
I'm going to assume most people who buy the 2.0T will be using it under "severe usage" rather than keeping it under the speed limit to maximize gas mileage. I'm going to claim severe usage on mine, though I make sure engine temps warm up before every use and I keep it garaged @ home & parking garage @ work.
BUT.. the TSB recommends 7,500 miles or 12 months under "Normal Maintenance Schedule" for the V6.
I'm using Mobil 1 Full Synth 5w20. I will plan on changing the oil before the 4,000 mile interval.
I'll also say that I run valvoline 10w30 for my Murano. I went 6,500-7,000 miles before changing the oil and I could tell a difference (even my wife could). Maybe the long stretch of 100+ degree days added to it, but I try to keep it under 5,000 mile intervals.
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The "T" is the important part for the 2.0T. . . the turbo will cook some oil but fast. Normal driving with a quality oil/filter combination, the new advice is usually at least double the old 3,000 mile interval, due to the improved chemistry and better engines in modern cars.
If you REALLY want to know how often to change the oil in your car, get a used oil analysis performed after various oil change intervals. Being too cheap for that, and not having a turbo on my car, I aim for 5000mi and don't sweat it too much if I have to let it go another few weeks.
If you REALLY want to know how often to change the oil in your car, get a used oil analysis performed after various oil change intervals. Being too cheap for that, and not having a turbo on my car, I aim for 5000mi and don't sweat it too much if I have to let it go another few weeks.
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I use synthetic, and go 8-10k without changing it. When I do change it, I replace the filter as well, every time. About every 50k miles I'll do an application of AutoRX (oil system cleaner) which works wonders.